Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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Do the "friends" tend to project their views onto others?

by magotan in

"those worldy people are so lost" - utterence of any sort of familial hardship; divorce, ect.. .

(df'ed person is seen in a public setting) "they look so sad, they don't have jehovah's blessing".

how do you know if they're sad or not?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

That kind of projection goes way into overdrive at DCs from the opening, "We rejoice to be together for the 'God's Happified Rejoicers' Discrap Crapvention! [applause]" to the closing, "We are so grateful to have enjoyed these 3 ass-numbing days of scripted speeches, phoney demonstrations, exaggerated interviews, and association together with our happifying brotherhood. [applause]" Ugh.

And the tone of the magazines is written as if lecturing dim-witted children. Talking down and telling the reader what to think.

So what can you expect from elders when they "counsel" you, or other JWs for that matter? It's all about the 'group think' and mind control that go with the cult territory.

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Not sure what to do next

by magotan in

jw
friends

i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"Ha! I knew it would come eventually."

Indeed, and you responded very effectively. By the way, did you ever read those accounts about David and Jonathan and figure out that there was a little something more going on between them?

"My family, honestly, is the only ones I'm concerned about. I don't want to hurt them. But I fear I will have to."

It's more a matter of them hurting themselves at the urging of a 19th century religio-publishing corporation that has somehow survived into this 21st century. Don't let fear keep you from living a better life. After all, with the bunny ears, shapely legs, and friendly wave, you deserve to find some real happiness and good friends.

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My apologies to everyone on this board (please read).

by Joliette in

jw
friends

about a month ago, i wrote a post about a sister that keeps coming to my apartment giving me watchtowers.

i called her an older sister.

she is in her late 50's.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Right OUTLAW. Then by the time I get up, I forgot what I was getting up to do, so I go fetch myself a cold one and ease back into my rocking chair.

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Yesterday was my last meeting

by nolongerconfused in

yesterday's watchtower study was the last straw for me...as you all have probably seen the post before me, here's the quote that did it for me.

11/15/2012 wt "forgive one another freely".

paragraph 16 - "in accord with jehovahs's will, christian elders have been entrusted with the responsibility of wrongdoing in the congregation.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

If you're like me, you won't miss the meetings at all. So many more productive things to do like sleep late or watch TV.

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The newest 30 hour pioneer month is...........

by Poztate in

no, this is not a thread about the march, april 30 hour push or months with a c.o.

visiting.

it is about where it will go from there if successful.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Next up:

Aux Pioneer for just 20 hours during the month of the Memorial!

When you start lowering the bar, there is only one way for it to go.

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My apologies to everyone on this board (please read).

by Joliette in

jw
friends

about a month ago, i wrote a post about a sister that keeps coming to my apartment giving me watchtowers.

i called her an older sister.

she is in her late 50's.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Joliette, You're going to have to try harder than that if you really want to offend me.

I'm not quite 50 yet, and on the many days I feel completely ancient and senile, I'd welcome being called an "old fart" as a compliment.

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yet another newbie..

by ragnarok75 in

jw
friends

i've been lurking here for some time and now that i've registered here's a little bit about myself... i'm in northern europe (so english is not my own language,but i have indeed studied it for more than 18 months) and i was born into this hateful cult in the "momentuous" year of -75.good that my parents stayed alive till then!.

as far back as i can remember i had doubts both about the doctrines and the whole existence of god.however,i instinctively knew that these doubts are not to be mentioned.so i learned to be a fake at an early age.though having read many other stories here i realise how easy i got it.i now understand that we lived in a rather liberal area and also my family was quite liberal eventhough my dad was an elder since mid -80 and mom was really "strong in the truth".i never brought up the religion at school or with friends and was never bullied or anything.it helped that i was good at sports,especially football (soccer for americans) and football is also the source of my biggest hurt in childhood.i know it may sound very trivial,but the fact that i wasn't allowed to join a football team felt just so unjust and painfull and it lasted all through my childhood.whenever we had a new gym teacher,the first thing he asked me was which team do i play for.i was too embarrased to tell the truth and i just gave the impression that i only wanted to play for fun and not join any team.oh,how badly i wanted to!.

somehow i managed to silence all those doubts and got babtised as a young man.very soon after the babtism i knew that it didn't have the hoped for effect of making me more spiritual and meetings and field service still felt an absolute bore.now began the long years of just "going through the motions".all my family (parents,many brothers and sisters,uncles and aunts,nieces and nephews) and most of my friends were in.i never reached out and attended only one or two meetings a week and penned my hours.i kind of liked my congregation (also,the seats at our kh were really comfy,so i often slept through the meetings) and made some very good friends.friends that - as you all can guess- didn't turn out to be so good in the end,but with whom i nonetheless had some good times and felt a strong connection to.. for a long time nothing happened that would've disrupted my rather non-eventfull life as a lacklustre jdub with at least another foot in the "world".i'd done many things that would've gotten me d'fed,but i never had any intentions of going to the elders about it and i had no pangs of conscience about it either.it was just a matter of convenience..i liked my witness friends,wanted to hold on to them and not to lose my family.. however..there was this girl... a (worldly,of course) girl that i had absolutely fell for and had a brief romance with many years ago.now she was back in my life.i must omit the proceeding turns of events for the sake of anonymity,but the end result is that i'm a proud father of a lovely baby girl.well,not so much baby anymore as she starts school soon.i love her so much and it gives me great satisfaction that she is growing free from any influence of vicious cults or of any gods for that matter.we live now in different countries but i see her often and there's always skype.. her birth also acted as a catalyst for the change in relationship between me and the society.i decided that i wanted to share the joy of her birth and existence with my family,eventhough i also knew that that would mean i'd have to go the elders too.if i didn't,they would,and that would result in automatic disfellowshippping.. a jc was duly formed and i had decided that i'm not going to go there and tell them that i regret her,as having her is the best thing that's ever happeded to me.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

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New Member / MS still in...

by Comatose in

jw
friends

feels real strange typing this.

i was what you all call born in.

i was happy growing up.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

Ah, yes, the feeling of disorientation that comes with learning the truth about "the truth". It's a journey of discovery and although there may be pitfalls along the way out of WT, it is totally worth it.

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Can't afford to pay Candace, but they can afford this:

by WinstonSmith in

http://thetandd.com/news/local/jehovah-s-witnesses-unveil-million-assembly-hall/article_82f68742-6776-11e2-a641-001a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I think the locals will get rather sick of all the JW traffic after a few weekends.

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My Jw mother hates me and always has

by 20yearfader in

i just need to vent,you see i was a born in.it's taken me 20 years after fading from the org to finally get my mind free from the wt dogma.i was on the phone with my aunt today and the subject of my mother her older sister came up.now mind you i haven't spoken to my mother in a month or so after my daughter stayed the weekend at her house and she was being tag teamed about the hall and how i took a vow to jehovah and i'm a failure and i'll be destroyed at armagedon.this exchange upset my daughter so much that she was near the point of tears when she returned home and she hasnt spoken to my mother or father since.anyway back to the conversation with my aunt,she let it slip that my mother told her that she wished she had let the seamen that fertilized the egg that produced me had slid down her legnno bear in mind i can remember as a child running into her room playing and she would say to me as a 7 year old child "i wished i had left you in oblivion"this is one of many such saying my mother had for me......i wasn't a bad child i just wasn't allowed to do anything such as going outside going over a friends house....etc,i have struggled for years as to why this woman hates me so.i got baptized at 15 really as a way of pleasing them what the hell does a child know at 15??

?granted it took me some time to get myself together and put those hurtful comments in the past,but today when my aunt let it slip about what my mother has said about me it was like pulling a scap off of a wound.my wife always complains about how im emotionless and distance,this was done by me as a way of protecting myself.so i've decided and i hate to say this that my christian god fearing parents...are dead to me there is no way i can have a relationship with people that are so wicked and since she never wanted me anyway....it works out for the best thx i just needed to vent i felt like i was going to pop..

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Ouch! That's so painful to read. I can't begin to imagine how painful that would be to live and hear.

Don't let that poison your relationships going forward. Get counselling if you need it. Of course, it's really your parents that need the counselling, but in WTland, we know they won't get it.